Emeral in KC

[Alexander]

I couldn't find a board for KC questions so I'll post it here.

While KC has done a well enough job in nerfing certain broken cards, I think that Emeral isn't even being considered.

I feel that emeral is a broken card which should be nerfed. I know there will be no official discussions regarding KC format but well, can I just be told why Emeral isn't considered a broken card?

Its restricted to 1 in JP and since KC doesn't restrict cards but changes their rulings, I guess something like this could be possible as its rules text:

"When you put this creature into the Battle Zone, if you have at least one emeral in your battle zone or your graveyard, put a card from your hand into the shield zone and then return a card from the shields to your hand."

Or if we have to make it even more nerfed, then:

"When you put this creature into the Battle Zone, if you have at least one emeral in your battle zone or your graveyard, put a card from your hand into the shield zone and then return a card from the shields to your hand.
If there is more than one copy of emeral in your graveyard, disregard all effects of this card."

[Rin]

I don't necessarily agree, but I'm glad that such things are brought up in the proper way. Anyway as far as I know, a big part of the restriction was Merfolk.

[Lmaotan]

isn't emeral restricted to 1 because of merfolk?
in kc even if u use 4x emeral but if you cant use corile =(

[Nerafim]

I kind of fell for that thing too you know, but mine was just because of uncertainty. Yeah, Emeral was more of a problem early on because he was a good progression card for Merfolk builds. But that was only really a problem for the earlier sets of the game, and it didn't have shit much to do with his effect.

As the game progresses it's obviously less of a problem, but they just didn't bother restricting it, and I can imagine a million reasons for it.

If the effect really was a problem that early, then they really wouldn't have realeased Aqua Super Emeral, now would they? >,>...

Not all things on the ban/restriction list are necesarilly "OMG SUPERZOMFG IMBA!1!1!!one1!"...Some are there for different considerents, such as shaping the game or a precaution, like Aqua Hulcus, Mist Rias, and Emeral.

-Nera

[Bell]

To expand on what Nerafim said in a way that makes more sense...

If you played the following progression in JP, at a certain point of the game, your draw power and speed made you borderline unstoppable.

Marine Flower, Emeral/Astral Reef, Hulcus/Walter/Streaming Shaper, Deep Operation/Cyber Brain, Corile/Merfolk/Teleportation.

The lack of restriction in the English game came primarily from the nerfs of Shaper, Brain and Reef. I suppose they didn't find it necessary to cut out the cool shield swapping effect.

In any case it isn't shieldswap that is bad, other cards do it but slower, and unlike something like Corile which was 'nearly never repeated' or discard which they seem to fight a constant 'war' against, they seem to encourage the shield Swapping. Emeral does it rather early, but this isn't really considered an issue.

The remnant of Emeral's power was seen in ENG at a point, but that power was pretty much 'ooh Triple Brain + medium sized creature sweet'.

The game's designers have no apparent issues with shield swapping effects. In fact when the original 'issue' of Emeral was discussed years ago, the question was 'should they have changed Emeral's race', not 'should they have nerfed this effect'.

[TomRogers]

The game's designers have no apparent issues with shield swapping effects. In fact when the original 'issue' of Emeral was discussed years ago, the question was 'should they have changed Emeral's race', not 'should they have nerfed this effect'.

Woah! You have access to the official R&D discussions? I'd love to take a look at those. =)

[Bell]

The game's designers have no apparent issues with shield swapping effects. In fact when the original 'issue' of Emeral was discussed years ago, the question was 'should they have changed Emeral's race', not 'should they have nerfed this effect'.

Woah! You have access to the official R&D discussions? I'd love to take a look at those. =)

Forgive me, sometimes I forget that English is not your first language.

"Apparent" means 'they do not appear to be there' in general or cursory analysis.

When quotes are used in English, such as around the word 'issue' in the second sentence, it sometimes means that the word should not be taken to have its usual exact definition, and may be used as an approximation.

In the other case of words in quotes in this extract, you will notice that the word 'they' is used. In our language this implies that one is speaking of a plural third party. In this case it refers to the fact that people, in this case the first or second party discussing the 'issue', were discussing it in regards to the decision of a plural third party, in this case the R&D team you mentioned. The implication is that there was a discussion that looked at Emeral as a card, amongst the party of the first part (h.r.t. as "the Playerbase") regarding a decision made by the party of the second part (h.r.t. as "WoTC") and whether or not that decision should have been made differently.

If there are any further difficulties in understanding I suggest you find a translator fluent in both English and 'in-cheek'. Unfortunately Babelfish does not seem to have an option for translating the Tongue-In-Cheek into English and if it did I doubt it would be that helpful in this case anyway. My proficiency in it is modest at best so I don't think I'm qualified to be explaining these things to you. Forgive my awkward efforts.

[TomRogers]

The game's designers have no apparent issues with shield swapping effects. In fact when the original 'issue' of Emeral was discussed years ago, the question was 'should they have changed Emeral's race', not 'should they have nerfed this effect'.

Woah! You have access to the official R&D discussions? I'd love to take a look at those. =)

Forgive me, sometimes I forget that English is not your first language.

"Apparent" means 'they do not appear to be there' in general or cursory analysis.

When quotes are used in English, such as around the word 'issue' in the second sentence, it sometimes means that the word should not be taken to have its usual exact definition, and may be used as an approximation.

In the other case of words in quotes in this extract, you will notice that the word 'they' is used. In our language this implies that one is speaking of a plural third party. In this case it refers to the fact that people, in this case the first or second party discussing the 'issue', were discussing it in regards to the decision of a plural third party, in this case the R&D team you mentioned. The implication is that there was a discussion that looked at Emeral as a card, amongst the party of the first part (h.r.t. as "the Playerbase") regarding a decision made by the party of the second part (h.r.t. as "WoTC") and whether or not that decision should have been made differently.

If there are any further difficulties in understanding I suggest you find a translator fluent in both English and 'in-cheek'. Unfortunately Babelfish does not seem to have an option for translating the Tongue-In-Cheek into English and if it did I doubt it would be that helpful in this case anyway. My proficiency in it is modest at best so I don't think I'm qualified to be explaining these things to you. Forgive my awkward efforts.

Woah, that definitely wasn't necessary.

You didn't really answer my question, either. Who is the "Playerbase" you're referring to? It sounds like a particular forum group.

[Nerafim]

Woah, that definitely wasn't necessary.

You didn't really answer my question, either. Who is the "Playerbase" you're referring to? It sounds like a particular forum group.

Maybe it's this one.

To expand on what Nerafim said in a way that makes more sense...

If you played the following progression in JP, at a certain point of the game, your draw power and speed made you borderline unstoppable.

Marine Flower, Emeral/Astral Reef, Hulcus/Walter/Streaming Shaper, Deep Operation/Cyber Brain, Corile/Merfolk/Teleportation.

Heh. And you know it's kind of ironic that the "new" recent support and face of those mono Waters in Japan still involves pretty much the same now restricted cards, the same Races and it is still bathsit fast.

Maybe they intended it, like in some form of (yet another) melancholic support on the game, but it's kind of poetic nontheless.

In any case it isn't shieldswap that is bad, other cards do it but slower, and unlike something like Corile which was 'nearly never repeated' or discard which they seem to fight a constant 'war' against, they seem to encourage the shield Swapping. Emeral does it rather early, but this isn't really considered an issue.

Yeah, I got to respect their efforts for the war on discard...But anyway, without going much into the entire game, they really don't have a problem with the shield swapping.

I mean in this set block, one just has to look at the cards in set 17 and you still see it pretty strongly supported there.

[Bell]

Woah, that definitely wasn't necessary.

You didn't really answer my question, either. Who is the "Playerbase" you're referring to? It sounds like a particular forum group.

As I said, I really don't understand your language well enough to communicate with you properly. I didn't even realize that there was a question to be answered. I thought I was clarifying something.

Can someone who knows enough Tongue-In-Cheek translate for me what Tom originally said into the form of a question that I could answer? I thought I answered it.

I'd try to understand what you're asking this time, Tom, but I'm looking at the question as if it is in English, and we all know that gets me nowhere.